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Should probably change the title of this video, as it implies that you're going to make an argument as to why it shouldn't be Oscar Winning editing.

Damn, that's interesting!

To me, Mad Max: Fury Road is far and away the better film. While both are action, loud and bombastic, one is cohesive in both narrative and action where the other is much more chaotic with no focus and is louder and much more bombastic for no motivated reasoning. I remember watching Transformers as a kid and going to see it in theaters thinking it was great, but over time, the thrill of seeing a childhood property to life and learning about film production and editing, it lost it's luster and thrill. While the visual effects were good, the story and the editing, not so much. Cinema is subjective,. Off topic, I'm curious of your take on the editing in Parasite (2019).

Fury Road is a masterpiece, and I love how you break this down. It’ll make it even more enjoyable next time. I’m actually quite fond of Transformers (the first one). It feels genuinely 80s, and that score from Jablonski is gold. The effects and sound design are also mindblowing. BUT it’s waaaay too long, and terribly edited. Take the whole sneaking into his room scene. I’d like to take an exacto knife to that, and make it two minutes long.

That's exactly why I find so many action heavy movies annoyingly hard to follow. The amount of cuts and things to see all over the place, plus a lot of camera shake and blur... it really detracts from the enjoyement. Especially as the movie standard still uses very low framerate, which makes fast movement jittery and even harder to follow in those scenes, it should be quite important to convey the action clearly to the viewer, unless you're actively trying to represent chaos (e.g. a shellshocked soldier under the bombs) so not the entire movie!

Came here to listen to him talk about the editing, got a visual language rundown of the plot instead, and im beyond happy! Great video! And I think she got another dr caligari reference in the tour visual of her who's afraid of little old me, at least I think it is

Are you using da Vinci for your software?

The drummer's precision and energy are off the charts 🤘 I'm now eagerly waiting for your reaction to Nick Thurl Mavromatis' new song!

I think both styles have a place, the key is having a plan to know what you want the audience feeling at any given moment. In this case the amount each of the directors wants you to connect with each of the characters and the scale of the action is also very different. Transformers pretty much hands you some cookie cutter characters to act as human anchors in the middle of a giant robot fight and help the audience experience scale but you rarely need the humans to feel anything but small until the action halts and the humans get their one shining point in the movie where they save the giant robots. Mad Max is very character focused in the sense that the scale of the actual conflict isn't significant until it's anchored on the characters and we need people to see and understand what they're feeling at any given moment of the film even during an action sequence, even if the actions sequence is calling for Max to be smacked repeatedly and we just need to see the disorientation and confusion on his face in an almost comedic manner.

I think people over criticize Michael Bay movies. I personally like the way of taking shots, placement of the cameras, framing. The chaotic fast style is enhancing the the trill .Everything looks super cool and entertaining. Just imagine watching his movies as a teenager. Maybe we don't have that high energy as we get older, that's why it's getting more stressful than entertaining. I watched 'Transformers' at the age of 20, and it offered me one of the best theater experiences. In terms of sound design and visual effects, it was mind-blowing. I can't imagine the excitement and happiness if I watched it in my teenage years. These kinds of movies are targeted to a teen audience. Basically, they are action-packed movies for entertainment, nothing more than that, and they are delivering more than 100% of what I asked for. Worth every penny."

Wow, this is super interesting. I have never even realized it while watching movies, but now I can see it all!

Deep.

I think Transformers (the first three films) has a lot to offer in terms of its visual design, fight scenes, epic scale, etc. but I agree that the editing isn't as precise and smooth as Mad Max, which is also an excellent film.

your theory about the stress put on the viewer, i found, was no more stressful than in the 4th transformers. by the end of that film, i was feeling motion-sick and otherwise physically uncomfortable. the scenes were growing exponentially dizzying. this may have something to do with your theory, because the 5th movie suffers from "flickering aspect ratio". The black bars on the top and bottom were changing from one shot to the next and yet, TF4 was the more physically uncomfortable experience. I think it's worth checking out this phenomenon.

Does this center framing mostly take over during the action scenes? Theres a few slower scenes in Fury Road and I can't remember if a more traditional "rule of thirds" composition was used.

Great break down of film making versus action movie making. Long ago when I would make family video/dvds on iMovie from photos, I landing on about 3 seconds per photo... that felt like things were moving along, maybe 5 seconds for a more special photo. Anything longer that 5 and you feel like your in a family slide show trope.... interesting to see the speed and number of the cuts .

Now compare the "Bayhem" as done in the Lego Movie!

Thank you so much.

I think another factor is that most of the Mad Max frames are less busy, they contain fewer, more congruent elements. And they generally have cleaner edges. Transformers has very busy frames, lots of elements that are almost haphazard. And the edges are pretty busy.

Btw I can't wait to see your genuine reaction to Nick Thurl Mavromatis' new song 🤘

Perfectly edited film.good one

Really interesting! Thanks for sharing (especially about center framing)

If you are shooting a chaotic scene, I think it makes sense to edit chaotically. I don't mind being lost, being a little behind in the action, doing some almost subconscious effort to understand each shot. I don't think one way is better than the other.

At Pixar what you call "eye tracking we called "hookups", and a lot of my job doing camera polish involved making sure that the audience's eye picked up the important thing on the B side of the cut. This is the legacy of Lee Unkrich, who joined us as an editor on Toy Story and taught us a lot. It's why Pixar films feel so smooth.

Excellent observations! I can't stand most of Michael Bay's work. Now I know why.

Taylor swift directed this video and it’s not a reference to the Shining. 😂

fury crap is NOT a Mad Max movie

Love this kind of analysis! Thank you!!

I think both movies are a pile of 💩 But I dislike pretty much any more recent Hollywood movie. In terms of is it still a watchable movie then yes Mad Max is watchable vs Transformers an unwatchable movie.

The eye track editing is very much a movie trailer technique too. Pretty amazing work from George Miller. It’s also a good example of what’s possible when a director storyboards and shoots for the edit, rather than rolling 17 cameras and figuring it out later

First time I don't agree with these types of comparisons... It would be like comparing a Spielberg film with one by Wes Anderson, two completely different visual and editing styles. This video seems to me more like an excuse to promote Furiosa that is about to be released than a real comparison lol

Eye trace has always been an issue on Bay's films. It also doesn't help that the frames are so dense with information (the robots in Transformers for example are so overly complex that it's sometimes hard to know what robot you're even looking at when it cuts in close, and many of them don't have a strong enough silhouette even in a wide). I actually saw Fury Road in both 2D and 3D just out of curiosity and was surprised at how it didn't strain my eyes at all. Did the same with Transformers and almost walked out it was so jarring to look at. You definitely need to plan for 3D before shooting as your eye has extra depth information to take in along with moving across the frame.

Although this is maybe more important for watching on a large screen than say watching on a phone

It's interesting that one film is great and the other is a steaming pile of Michael Bay shite.

I've not watched Transformers and this didn't make me any more interested in seeing it haha. Love the analysis.

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Thanks for changing thumbnail and saving our time

7:25 please add a text saying "on an average" because the timing is not consistent, some places it takes longer than that some palces it's like 1.8 or 1.2seconds for madmax fury road.